Thanks to Ceri for news of this free event taking place next Monday (31st). Ed


Join us for another eclectic line-up of great music from some of the best up and coming songwriters from the Island and beyond. The line up for March is:

Penny Churchill
Penny is a 17-year-old singer-songwriter from the Island. She picked up her first acoustic guitar at the age of 9 and started writing her own material when she was only 12. Her favourite era of music is the 70’s and her sound has been likened to Joni Mitchell and Joan Baez. Her song writing and stage presence have a maturity that belie her youth; definitely one to watch.

Willowen
Hailing from Bournemouth, Willowen is an Indie-Quirk Folk trio with a harmony-fuelled, surf vibe and a folky twist. Recently described as a mixture of folk and Fleetwood Mac, they have shared a stage with the likes of KT Tunstall, Paul Heaton (The Beautiful South/Housemartins) and The Moulettes. We’re really pleased to welcome them to the Island for the first time.

Cherishport
Cherishport has been taking the local scene by storm with his unconventional acoustic set, playing everywhere from festival stages to garden parties. Cherisport has been gaining the attention of music fans across the south coast with his alternative approach to acoustic guitar, layering vocal harmonies and rhythmic guitar using a loop pedal – an exciting live performer.

Claydon Connor Band
Claydon has an instant stage presence, engaging his audiences with his obvious enthusiasm and enjoyment of playing live. His music always tells a story and is a perfect blend of roots Americana, with a hint of classic English pop, combining all his influences to create a sound that is both honest and infectious. Hot on the heels of the release of his new single, ‘The Kind of Man I Am’, Claydon will be treating us to a live set with support from a full band of talented musicians.

The Golden Strands
A four-piece from local shores, The Golden Strands are known for their punchy sound carried by Rosie’s impressive vocal. Their incredible live set for us at Kashmir Café at the Isle of Wight Festival in 2013 moved The Independent to describe our stage as the ‘festival’s beating heart’. Now signed to Nice and Spicy Records, their 11-track self-titled album (recorded and produced right here on the Island at Skinny Mammoth Studios) is available on iTunes.

Entry to Quay Arts for Acoustic Originals on Monday 31st March is free and everyone is welcome, doors and bar is from 7pm with live performances from 8pm. For more information please call the Box Office on 01983 822490.

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Charlotte Furness-Smith died after becoming trapped in Tilly Whim cave last year

By Jane Reader

Inquest to begin into death of Charlotte Furness-Smith who became trapped in Tilly Whim cave

A TERRIFIED woman who died in a sea cave tragedy screamed ‘get me out of here’ as a brave attempt was made to rescue her in stormy conditions.

Royal Navy reservist Charlotte ‘Buffy’ Furness-Smith was heard pleading for help after being swept into the Tilly Whim caves near Swanage on November 2 last year during bad weather.

But despite the efforts of a hero volunteer Coastguard who risked his life climbing into a narrow blowhole to try and reach her, the 30-year-old could not be saved.

Her devastated brother, 31-year-old Alex, told a Bournemouth inquest into her death he had tried desperately to help her.

The siblings had travelled to Dorset to kite-surf, but decided to coasteer instead because of the bad weather.

Alex said he was “tossed upside down underwater” after they were dragged into the cave together, and seized the opportunity to raise the alarm when he could.

He added: “The only option was for one of us to try to get out and get help.

“I decided I would go out and try to get help rather than risk both of us getting smashed against the rocks.”

He reassured his sister before swimming out of the cave.

“She said she couldn’t bear not knowing if something had happened to me,” he said.

“I said she should be able to see me going out, and if I did get into danger she’d have a second chance of getting out. I asked her to stay put. I thought that was the safest thing to do.”

Coastguard officer Ian Bugler volunteered to be lowered through a narrow blowhole at the top of the cave to try and reach Charlotte.

Winchman paramedic Adrian Rogers told the inquest Mr Bugler was “thrown around as if in a stone washing machine”.

Tragically, despite his efforts, it was too late.

Mr Bugler said: “I decided I was going into the hole to attempt the rescue. The cave was very dark and murky.

“She was being thrown around in the water and was face down being thrown against the ledge. At this point I was satisfied that she had died.

“I was bashed about by the waves. I was getting very concerned for my own safety. Eventually I was pulled up.”

His father, Andrew Bugler, also a volunteer coastguard, said the decision for Ian to be lowered into the cave was taken because the team believed they could save Charlotte.

“I could hear her screaming ‘get me out of here’. She was terrified.”

Russell Thompson of coasteering company Cumulus Outdoors said: “I would never have thought about getting into the water on that day.”

He added that he and a colleague had been “weather-watching” and said the area might be suitable on “a flat, calm day for someone with coasteering experience”.

Charlotte, a maths teacher from London, was an engineering graduate and former Royal Navy reservist. She was a strong swimmer.

Although her body was never recovered, Coroner Sheriff Payne applied for permission from the Chief Coroner in London to conduct inquiries.

The inquest continues.

Updates live from the inquest here

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Celebrity TV chef James Martin stars at BIC’s Life Begins 50+ show

By Gayle McDonald

TV chef James Martin giving a demonstration at the Life Begins 50+ show

HUNDREDS of people came along to the Echo-backed Life Begins 50+ exhibition at the BIC yesterday.

Star of the show celebrity TV chef James Martin gave cooking demonstrations throughout the day and met with fans.

Caroline Lowe, who has terminal cancer, said meeting her favourite TV chef was a dream come true. She said: “I have secondary breast cancer and made a bucket list last year. I was quite realistic with it and wanted to include things I could achieve and one of things I wanted to do was to meet the celebrities I watch on TV. James Martin was on there. I watch him every Saturday.”

Mrs Lowe and her daughter Rebbeca, who is a third year business and marketing student at Bournemouth University, had a private meeting with the Hampshire-based chef following one of his demonstrations.

“He’s fantastic,” Mrs Lowe said.

The top chef said he was delighted to be back in Bournemouth and had enjoyed meeting with fans.

He said: “I used to come here a lot when I was 18, 19 and 20. A lot has changed but the sea is still cold.

Throughout the day visitors had the chance to try out a simulator surf board, take part in dance classes and watch fashion shows.

Anita Nippard, who turned 50 last month, said she had a great time. She said: “I didn’t think I’d be doing the Cha Cha Cha at 10.30 on a Sunday morning. If I had known I would have worn something more sparkly.”

The mother of two added: “There’s lots to do. It’s been really good fun.”

Sue Wheatley, aged 71, said: “The main attraction for me was seeing James Martin.

“My family bought me tickets as a Christmas present. It’s been lovely.”

Borough of Poole councillor Claire Evans said she was delighted to see so many people there and added: “I’ve just been on the surf simulator.

“It was great fun.”

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Charlotte Furness-Smith died after becoming trapped in Tilly Whim cave last year

By Jane Reader

Inquest to begin into death of Charlotte Furness-Smith who became trapped in Tilly Whim cave

A TERRIFIED woman who died in a sea cave tragedy screamed ‘get me out of here’ as a brave attempt was made to rescue her in stormy conditions.

Royal Navy reservist Charlotte ‘Buffy’ Furness-Smith was heard pleading for help after being swept into the Tilly Whim caves near Swanage on November 2 last year during bad weather.

But despite the efforts of a hero volunteer Coastguard who risked his life climbing into a narrow blowhole to try and reach her, the 30-year-old could not be saved.

Her devastated brother, 31-year-old Alex, told a Bournemouth inquest into her death he had tried desperately to help her.

The siblings had travelled to Dorset to kite-surf, but decided to coasteer instead because of the bad weather.

Alex said he was “tossed upside down underwater” after they were dragged into the cave together, and seized the opportunity to raise the alarm when he could.

He added: “The only option was for one of us to try to get out and get help.

“I decided I would go out and try to get help rather than risk both of us getting smashed against the rocks.”

He reassured his sister before swimming out of the cave.

“She said she couldn’t bear not knowing if something had happened to me,” he said.

“I said she should be able to see me going out, and if I did get into danger she’d have a second chance of getting out. I asked her to stay put. I thought that was the safest thing to do.”

Coastguard officer Ian Bugler volunteered to be lowered through a narrow blowhole at the top of the cave to try and reach Charlotte.

Winchman paramedic Adrian Rogers told the inquest Mr Bugler was “thrown around as if in a stone washing machine”.

Tragically, despite his efforts, it was too late.

Mr Bugler said: “I decided I was going into the hole to attempt the rescue. The cave was very dark and murky.

“She was being thrown around in the water and was face down being thrown against the ledge. At this point I was satisfied that she had died.

“I was bashed about by the waves. I was getting very concerned for my own safety. Eventually I was pulled up.”

His father, Andrew Bugler, also a volunteer coastguard, said the decision for Ian to be lowered into the cave was taken because the team believed they could save Charlotte.

“I could hear her screaming ‘get me out of here’. She was terrified.”

Russell Thompson of coasteering company Cumulus Outdoors said: “I would never have thought about getting into the water on that day.”

He added that he and a colleague had been “weather-watching” and said the area might be suitable on “a flat, calm day for someone with coasteering experience”.

Charlotte, a maths teacher from London, was an engineering graduate and former Royal Navy reservist. She was a strong swimmer.

Although her body was never recovered, Coroner Sheriff Payne applied for permission from the Chief Coroner in London to conduct inquiries.

The inquest continues.

Updates live from the inquest here

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12 Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch council ‘blunders’ from past and present

12 council blunders from past and present

This week we’re looking at some council ‘gaffes’ of the past – with some sagas still ongoing even today.

How many of these can you remember? Have we missed any off the list? email digital@bournemouthecho.co.uk, tweet @Bournemouthecho, or leave a comment below.

The Surf Reef

Once described as “a £3m flop” and “white elephant”, the Boscombe Surf Reef has, to put it mildly, had its fair share of problems including the fact that it simply never worked as it was intended to.

We could give you an entire rundown of the saga, we’ll point you towards our Surf Reef section as it will probably take a lot less time!

The reef is expected to take on new life as a marine reef and will be opened up to snorkellers with dedicated zones for kite and wind surfers when the UK’s first multi-purpose coastal activity park opens in Boscombe.

Christmas decorations are banned

Bournemouth Council banned Christmas decorations for 6,000 staff in 2002, including at day and residential centres, because they were deemed a “fire hazard” during the fire service strikes.

Winter Gardens knocked down after the Liberal Democrats are elected to save it

Closed down, up for sale, saved by a change of administration, under review and then demolished.

The Winter Gardens was another of the hot political topics of Bournemouth’s past.

Years of campaigning to save the Winter Gardens came to an end when councillors voted for the much-loved concert hall to be knocked down to make way for a car park.

The Lib Dems pledged to listen to the thousands who signed a petition to save the building but after gaining power and commissioning further reports they voted to demolish it. 

The building, which was once home to the BSO, was knocked down in 2006.

The IMAX

Once branded ‘Britain’s most hated building’, the IMAX was fully demolished last April after years of controversy.

Built in 1998, it would be 2 years and 8 months until the Waterfront complex would open with residents labelling it an ‘eyesore’ due to it blocking the much-loved sea views from the top of Bath Hill.

Less than three years after the IMAX cinema opened, it closed in 2005 for refurbishment and never re-opened.

The four-storey glass-fronted building, which was also once home to a nightclub, a KFC, a pub , Chinese restaurant and children’s soft play area, was bought by Bournemouth Council for £6.5m in 2010 so it could be demolished.

The site was used as an open-air events space last summer with council leader John Beesley saying an Imax replacement would ‘not be rushed’.

Poole’s ‘Christmas Cone’

Back in 2009, Poole’s 33-foot artificial Christmas tree caused quite a storm. The tree, which cost £14,000, was branded a waste of money and compared to a giant green traffic cone.

The conical creation caused a wave of protest, was lampooned in the national media and even resulted in the formation of a Facebook site dedicated to slating it.

After just two weeks in Falkland Square, the tree was taken down and replaced with a real tree much to the delight of its critics. The tree went up for sale in 2010, we wonder where it is now…

Food bins are binned

More than 100 brand new food waste bins were carted off to landfill after Bournemouth council staff accidentally threw them away. Refuse workers forgot to remove the food caddies that were clipped into residents’ ‘little bins’ and emptied them into the truck – food caddies and all.

Chips in bins

In 2006 there was outrage when 70,000 wheelie bins delivered to Bournemouth households were tagged with hidden microchips. The council warned curious householders who removed the “passive” computer chips that they could pick up a £28 bill for a replacement bin.

The news sparked accusations that the council was acting “like Big Brother” with councillors and residents demanding to know why they were kept in the dark over the devices.

Christchurch council’s sandbags U-turn

Christchurch council was forced into an embarrassing climbdown after it refused to provide flood-hit residents with free sandbags or plastic sheeting

Residents said they requested sandbags from the council but were told they would have to purchase Floodsacks at £30 for a pack of four.

The U-turn came after Prime Minister David Cameron publicly stated that no councils should be charging for sandbags. The council subsequently pledged to refund residents and offered to help them protect their properties.

Poole council spies on family

In 2008, Poole council used powers intended for anti-terrorism surveillance to spy on a family for three weeks to check whether they had lied about living in the catchment area of a top primary school. They hadn’t.

Jenny Patton won a landmark legal ruling in 2010 when the Investigatory Powers Tribunal ruled the council acted illegally.

Christchurch raises glass to St George… in no alcohol zone

Christchurch councillors gathered with the mayor to taste a free glass of beer in celebration of St George’s Day in 2009 only for it to be pointed out that they were drinking in an alcohol-free zone. Whoops.

Casino saga

In 2007, a deal was signed on the eve of polling day committing Bournemouth to a £59m scheme for a new casino next to the Pavilion.

A major row erupted when the Conservatives won control of the council from the Liberal Democrats and discovered that the deal with the Trevor Osborne Group had been sealed that same day. It was later declared legal after an inquiry.

Bournemouth elects Labour mayor for first time in WWII

Until the 1990s, the only time Bournemouth council had allowed a Labour member to become mayor was in World War II – when Hitler had vowed to have all Britain’s mayors shot.

 

 

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1:01pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.

I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.
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TheDistrict wrote:
I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.

Long winded piece of advice.Mine is much simpler if you feel the need to vote only vote for a councillor who lives in your ward,they will then soon get the message what they should be doing

[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.[/p][/quote]Long winded piece of advice.Mine is much simpler if you feel the need to vote only vote for a councillor who lives in your ward,they will then soon get the message what they should be doing
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2:33pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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retry69 wrote:

TheDistrict wrote:
I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.

Long winded piece of advice.Mine is much simpler if you feel the need to vote only vote for a councillor who lives in your ward,they will then soon get the message what they should be doing

Long winded maybe, but unlike our Council and Councillors it gets the message across. The point with your theory, and I am in support of that, is that in some cases people from your ward may not apply to be a Councillor, or Councillors sit for other wards. My three Councillors come from Moordown, Westbourne, all outside the ward.

[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.[/p][/quote]Long winded piece of advice.Mine is much simpler if you feel the need to vote only vote for a councillor who lives in your ward,they will then soon get the message what they should be doing[/p][/quote]Long winded maybe, but unlike our Council and Councillors it gets the message across. The point with your theory, and I am in support of that, is that in some cases people from your ward may not apply to be a Councillor, or Councillors sit for other wards. My three Councillors come from Moordown, Westbourne, all outside the ward.
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2:38pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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hrryseccombe wrote:

muscliffman wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.

Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.

Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.

[quote][p][bold]hrryseccombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.[/p][/quote]Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.
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3:05pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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Whoa Lovely.Here we go then.

1, John Beesley.
2, Stephen Macloughlin and his images…He seeking re-election.
3,Boscombe Regeneration
4,Neighbourhood Management
5,Single Regeneration Budget.
6,BCCA
7,Surf Reef
8,Bournemouth Welcome Sign
9, Tony Williams
10, Tony Ramsden
11,DPPO (When we have no police ! )
12, Town Centre Managers that includes you, Busybody of Boscombe
13, Chris Wakefield
14,Jane Kelly.
15, Healthy Living Board
16,Bore on the shore (The Firework Fiasco)
17,Thinking ASR was going to return to repair the Surf Reef.
18,Imax
19,Lawrence Williams
20,Boscombe Tardis
21,Allowing Dave Wells to be the main housing provider in Bournemouth
22,Basically anything related to Bournemouth council..

No wonder we are called ‘Clowntown.’

Whoa Lovely.Here we go then.

1, John Beesley.
2, Stephen Macloughlin and his images…He seeking re-election.
3,Boscombe Regeneration
4,Neighbourhood Management
5,Single Regeneration Budget.
6,BCCA
7,Surf Reef
8,Bournemouth Welcome Sign
9, Tony Williams
10, Tony Ramsden
11,DPPO (When we have no police ! )
12, Town Centre Managers that includes you, Busybody of Boscombe
13, Chris Wakefield
14,Jane Kelly.
15, Healthy Living Board
16,Bore on the shore (The Firework Fiasco)
17,Thinking ASR was going to return to repair the Surf Reef.
18,Imax
19,Lawrence Williams
20,Boscombe Tardis
21,Allowing Dave Wells to be the main housing provider in Bournemouth
22,Basically anything related to Bournemouth council..

No wonder we are called ‘Clowntown.’
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TheDistrict wrote:

hrryseccombe wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.

Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.

Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.

Could not agree more about voting, if the majority of the public do not vote then they are indeed far more responsible for the current mess than those who do bother to participate, Mainly because on local polling day we all effectively become honorary Councillors – and all we are expected to do is turn up and tick a ballot paper.

The old non-voter’s excuses that they don’t like any of the candidates or the Parties represented, or ‘it won’t make any difference’ are all as lame as they come because if any of these are true surely it is their public duty to stand for election in their own right. The people in authority behind all of these Council fiascos are only where they are because of those who don’t vote (or stand for election), and many of these well known and dodgy incompetents are absolutely counting upon it staying that way.

[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]hrryseccombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.[/p][/quote]Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more about voting, if the majority of the public do not vote then they are indeed far more responsible for the current mess than those who do bother to participate, Mainly because on local polling day we all effectively become honorary Councillors – and all we are expected to do is turn up and tick a ballot paper.

The old non-voter’s excuses that they don’t like any of the candidates or the Parties represented, or ‘it won’t make any difference’ are all as lame as they come because if any of these are true surely it is their public duty to stand for election in their own right. The people in authority behind all of these Council fiascos are only where they are because of those who don’t vote (or stand for election), and many of these well known and dodgy incompetents are absolutely counting upon it staying that way.
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4:09pm Fri 21 Mar 14

retry69

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muscliffman wrote:

TheDistrict wrote:
hrryseccombe wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.

Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.

Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.

Could not agree more about voting, if the majority of the public do not vote then they are indeed far more responsible for the current mess than those who do bother to participate, Mainly because on local polling day we all effectively become honorary Councillors – and all we are expected to do is turn up and tick a ballot paper.

The old non-voter’s excuses that they don’t like any of the candidates or the Parties represented, or ‘it won’t make any difference’ are all as lame as they come because if any of these are true surely it is their public duty to stand for election in their own right. The people in authority behind all of these Council fiascos are only where they are because of those who don’t vote (or stand for election), and many of these well known and dodgy incompetents are absolutely counting upon it staying that way.

You really couldn’t make some of this stuff up could you.

[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]hrryseccombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.[/p][/quote]Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more about voting, if the majority of the public do not vote then they are indeed far more responsible for the current mess than those who do bother to participate, Mainly because on local polling day we all effectively become honorary Councillors – and all we are expected to do is turn up and tick a ballot paper.

The old non-voter’s excuses that they don’t like any of the candidates or the Parties represented, or ‘it won’t make any difference’ are all as lame as they come because if any of these are true surely it is their public duty to stand for election in their own right. The people in authority behind all of these Council fiascos are only where they are because of those who don’t vote (or stand for election), and many of these well known and dodgy incompetents are absolutely counting upon it staying that way.[/p][/quote]You really couldn’t make some of this stuff up could you.
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6:37pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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Do I detrect a cynical ‘switch of sides’ by the Echo – a paper that has been all too eager to trumpet the council’s idiotic press releases….. Boscombe the new Sandbanks.

Yes, it would help if morre folk voted in local elections – but to what purpose if they are to be as easily as duped as before.

Mention the Kings Park supposed Ice Rink and far from provoking protest we get witless drivel about it’s merits …. as if there were ANY suggestion that it was to be built. A cursory glance at the ‘plans’ would have shown that it was nothing more than a means to get a change of use for open park land. Much as Boscombe seafront was ripe for exclusive and expensive residential development …. just needed another distraction, and boy did they come up with a corker, if only in the millions it has lost. Remember the lights on the pier that the council had to pay to be repaired, because sea water had got into them !

Then the Imax. Not a peep about the later revealed ‘comprehensive redevelopment’ just simple minded guff about views and performance space. Much as claiming that the blitz was a good idea because it gave kids bomb sites to play on.

The only real mistake Bournemouth council have made is in not being more greedy, as there is as much chance of the folk of Bournemouth doing anything as there is of Eric Pickles going on a diet.

Millions upon millions rotting on the seabed, millions lost on empty surf pods, million spent on smashing down the Imax and load alone knows how much has been made handing over car parks to developers ,,, and yet not a murmur.

Stop a novelty train and all hell breaks lose. Any wonder the council does as it please and is methodically stripping the town bit by bit.

Do I detrect a cynical ‘switch of sides’ by the Echo – a paper that has been all too eager to trumpet the council’s idiotic press releases….. Boscombe the new Sandbanks.

Yes, it would help if morre folk voted in local elections – but to what purpose if they are to be as easily as duped as before.

Mention the Kings Park supposed Ice Rink and far from provoking protest we get witless drivel about it’s merits …. as if there were ANY suggestion that it was to be built. A cursory glance at the ‘plans’ would have shown that it was nothing more than a means to get a change of use for open park land. Much as Boscombe seafront was ripe for exclusive and expensive residential development …. just needed another distraction, and boy did they come up with a corker, if only in the millions it has lost. Remember the lights on the pier that the council had to pay to be repaired, because sea water had got into them !

Then the Imax. Not a peep about the later revealed ‘comprehensive redevelopment’ just simple minded guff about views and performance space. Much as claiming that the blitz was a good idea because it gave kids bomb sites to play on.

The only real mistake Bournemouth council have made is in not being more greedy, as there is as much chance of the folk of Bournemouth doing anything as there is of Eric Pickles going on a diet.

Millions upon millions rotting on the seabed, millions lost on empty surf pods, million spent on smashing down the Imax and load alone knows how much has been made handing over car parks to developers ,,, and yet not a murmur.

Stop a novelty train and all hell breaks lose. Any wonder the council does as it please and is methodically stripping the town bit by bit.
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Bob49 wrote:
Do I detrect a cynical ‘switch of sides’ by the Echo – a paper that has been all too eager to trumpet the council’s idiotic press releases….. Boscombe the new Sandbanks.

Yes, it would help if morre folk voted in local elections – but to what purpose if they are to be as easily as duped as before.

Mention the Kings Park supposed Ice Rink and far from provoking protest we get witless drivel about it’s merits …. as if there were ANY suggestion that it was to be built. A cursory glance at the ‘plans’ would have shown that it was nothing more than a means to get a change of use for open park land. Much as Boscombe seafront was ripe for exclusive and expensive residential development …. just needed another distraction, and boy did they come up with a corker, if only in the millions it has lost. Remember the lights on the pier that the council had to pay to be repaired, because sea water had got into them !

Then the Imax. Not a peep about the later revealed ‘comprehensive redevelopment’ just simple minded guff about views and performance space. Much as claiming that the blitz was a good idea because it gave kids bomb sites to play on.

The only real mistake Bournemouth council have made is in not being more greedy, as there is as much chance of the folk of Bournemouth doing anything as there is of Eric Pickles going on a diet.

Millions upon millions rotting on the seabed, millions lost on empty surf pods, million spent on smashing down the Imax and load alone knows how much has been made handing over car parks to developers ,,, and yet not a murmur.

Stop a novelty train and all hell breaks lose. Any wonder the council does as it please and is methodically stripping the town bit by bit.

Ever tried to get a Councillor to do something. Judging by the responses I have got from the MP they don’t care what the voter thinks and the Council just don’t bother to respond.

[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote:
Do I detrect a cynical ‘switch of sides’ by the Echo – a paper that has been all too eager to trumpet the council’s idiotic press releases….. Boscombe the new Sandbanks.

Yes, it would help if morre folk voted in local elections – but to what purpose if they are to be as easily as duped as before.

Mention the Kings Park supposed Ice Rink and far from provoking protest we get witless drivel about it’s merits …. as if there were ANY suggestion that it was to be built. A cursory glance at the ‘plans’ would have shown that it was nothing more than a means to get a change of use for open park land. Much as Boscombe seafront was ripe for exclusive and expensive residential development …. just needed another distraction, and boy did they come up with a corker, if only in the millions it has lost. Remember the lights on the pier that the council had to pay to be repaired, because sea water had got into them !

Then the Imax. Not a peep about the later revealed ‘comprehensive redevelopment’ just simple minded guff about views and performance space. Much as claiming that the blitz was a good idea because it gave kids bomb sites to play on.

The only real mistake Bournemouth council have made is in not being more greedy, as there is as much chance of the folk of Bournemouth doing anything as there is of Eric Pickles going on a diet.

Millions upon millions rotting on the seabed, millions lost on empty surf pods, million spent on smashing down the Imax and load alone knows how much has been made handing over car parks to developers ,,, and yet not a murmur.

Stop a novelty train and all hell breaks lose. Any wonder the council does as it please and is methodically stripping the town bit by bit.[/p][/quote]Ever tried to get a Councillor to do something. Judging by the responses I have got from the MP they don’t care what the voter thinks and the Council just don’t bother to respond.
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12 Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch council ‘blunders’ from past and present

12 council blunders from past and present

This week we’re looking at some council ‘gaffes’ of the past – with some sagas still ongoing even today.

How many of these can you remember? Have we missed any off the list? email digital@bournemouthecho.co.uk, tweet @Bournemouthecho, or leave a comment below.

The Surf Reef

Once described as “a £3m flop” and “white elephant”, the Boscombe Surf Reef has, to put it mildly, had its fair share of problems including the fact that it simply never worked as it was intended to.

We could give you an entire rundown of the saga, we’ll point you towards our Surf Reef section as it will probably take a lot less time!

The reef is expected to take on new life as a marine reef and will be opened up to snorkellers with dedicated zones for kite and wind surfers when the UK’s first multi-purpose coastal activity park opens in Boscombe.

Christmas decorations are banned

Bournemouth Council banned Christmas decorations for 6,000 staff in 2002, including at day and residential centres, because they were deemed a “fire hazard” during the fire service strikes.

Winter Gardens knocked down after the Liberal Democrats are elected to save it

Closed down, up for sale, saved by a change of administration, under review and then demolished.

The Winter Gardens was another of the hot political topics of Bournemouth’s past.

Years of campaigning to save the Winter Gardens came to an end when councillors voted for the much-loved concert hall to be knocked down to make way for a car park.

The Lib Dems pledged to listen to the thousands who signed a petition to save the building but after gaining power and commissioning further reports they voted to demolish it. 

The building, which was once home to the BSO, was knocked down in 2006.

The IMAX

Once branded ‘Britain’s most hated building’, the IMAX was fully demolished last April after years of controversy.

Built in 1998, it would be 2 years and 8 months until the Waterfront complex would open with residents labelling it an ‘eyesore’ due to it blocking the much-loved sea views from the top of Bath Hill.

Less than three years after the IMAX cinema opened, it closed in 2005 for refurbishment and never re-opened.

The four-storey glass-fronted building, which was also once home to a nightclub, a KFC, a pub , Chinese restaurant and children’s soft play area, was bought by Bournemouth Council for £6.5m in 2010 so it could be demolished.

The site was used as an open-air events space last summer with council leader John Beesley saying an Imax replacement would ‘not be rushed’.

Poole’s ‘Christmas Cone’

Back in 2009, Poole’s 33-foot artificial Christmas tree caused quite a storm. The tree, which cost £14,000, was branded a waste of money and compared to a giant green traffic cone.

The conical creation caused a wave of protest, was lampooned in the national media and even resulted in the formation of a Facebook site dedicated to slating it.

After just two weeks in Falkland Square, the tree was taken down and replaced with a real tree much to the delight of its critics. The tree went up for sale in 2010, we wonder where it is now…

Food bins are binned

More than 100 brand new food waste bins were carted off to landfill after Bournemouth council staff accidentally threw them away. Refuse workers forgot to remove the food caddies that were clipped into residents’ ‘little bins’ and emptied them into the truck – food caddies and all.

Chips in bins

In 2006 there was outrage when 70,000 wheelie bins delivered to Bournemouth households were tagged with hidden microchips. The council warned curious householders who removed the “passive” computer chips that they could pick up a £28 bill for a replacement bin.

The news sparked accusations that the council was acting “like Big Brother” with councillors and residents demanding to know why they were kept in the dark over the devices.

Christchurch council’s sandbags U-turn

Christchurch council was forced into an embarrassing climbdown after it refused to provide flood-hit residents with free sandbags or plastic sheeting

Residents said they requested sandbags from the council but were told they would have to purchase Floodsacks at £30 for a pack of four.

The U-turn came after Prime Minister David Cameron publicly stated that no councils should be charging for sandbags. The council subsequently pledged to refund residents and offered to help them protect their properties.

Poole council spies on family

In 2008, Poole council used powers intended for anti-terrorism surveillance to spy on a family for three weeks to check whether they had lied about living in the catchment area of a top primary school. They hadn’t.

Jenny Patton won a landmark legal ruling in 2010 when the Investigatory Powers Tribunal ruled the council acted illegally.

Christchurch raises glass to St George… in no alcohol zone

Christchurch councillors gathered with the mayor to taste a free glass of beer in celebration of St George’s Day in 2009 only for it to be pointed out that they were drinking in an alcohol-free zone. Whoops.

Casino saga

In 2007, a deal was signed on the eve of polling day committing Bournemouth to a £59m scheme for a new casino next to the Pavilion.

A major row erupted when the Conservatives won control of the council from the Liberal Democrats and discovered that the deal with the Trevor Osborne Group had been sealed that same day. It was later declared legal after an inquiry.

Bournemouth elects Labour mayor for first time in WWII

Until the 1990s, the only time Bournemouth council had allowed a Labour member to become mayor was in World War II – when Hitler had vowed to have all Britain’s mayors shot.

 

 

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1:01pm Fri 21 Mar 14

TheDistrict

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I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.

I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.
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1:19pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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TheDistrict wrote:
I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.

Long winded piece of advice.Mine is much simpler if you feel the need to vote only vote for a councillor who lives in your ward,they will then soon get the message what they should be doing

[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.[/p][/quote]Long winded piece of advice.Mine is much simpler if you feel the need to vote only vote for a councillor who lives in your ward,they will then soon get the message what they should be doing
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2:33pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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retry69 wrote:

TheDistrict wrote:
I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.

Long winded piece of advice.Mine is much simpler if you feel the need to vote only vote for a councillor who lives in your ward,they will then soon get the message what they should be doing

Long winded maybe, but unlike our Council and Councillors it gets the message across. The point with your theory, and I am in support of that, is that in some cases people from your ward may not apply to be a Councillor, or Councillors sit for other wards. My three Councillors come from Moordown, Westbourne, all outside the ward.

[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
I put it to the people of Bournemouth, as we approach the final year of this council, think what they have done for you. Are you thinking, of course the answer is NOTHING. What have they done for themselves. All received £9k plus for each year in office, more if on the cabinet, or some outstanding department. Some have had holidays to New Zealand, and others elsewhere. But overall, nothing has been done for the people. Yes we have had Council Tax stay as they are for a few years, but thats national level, passed on to local level. We have amenties added, but have failed, we have had ugly buildings, now removed, with what looks like the inside of a cattle market put in its place. We have had cinema plans, which have been cancelled, we have had more bars licenced, yet nothing for the family or visitors.

So next year in May, make sure you get out and use your vote, dont leave to the others in hope it will change, only you can make the change, you who can get out and place your vote. Vote for not who you know, but for what they can do for your community, your ward, your town. If they cannot give a truthful answer, then do not vote for them. I already know two councillors on my ward who will not get my vote, unfortunately to get rid of that party, the third councillor will have to go also.

Lets get the people into the Town Hall that we want. Get out, and make your vote in May 2015. Vote for those who will listen to you, and not those who believe we are invisible. No more Beesley Borough Council.[/p][/quote]Long winded piece of advice.Mine is much simpler if you feel the need to vote only vote for a councillor who lives in your ward,they will then soon get the message what they should be doing[/p][/quote]Long winded maybe, but unlike our Council and Councillors it gets the message across. The point with your theory, and I am in support of that, is that in some cases people from your ward may not apply to be a Councillor, or Councillors sit for other wards. My three Councillors come from Moordown, Westbourne, all outside the ward.
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2:38pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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hrryseccombe wrote:

muscliffman wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.

Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.

Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.

[quote][p][bold]hrryseccombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.[/p][/quote]Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.
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Whoa Lovely.Here we go then.

1, John Beesley.
2, Stephen Macloughlin and his images…He seeking re-election.
3,Boscombe Regeneration
4,Neighbourhood Management
5,Single Regeneration Budget.
6,BCCA
7,Surf Reef
8,Bournemouth Welcome Sign
9, Tony Williams
10, Tony Ramsden
11,DPPO (When we have no police ! )
12, Town Centre Managers that includes you, Busybody of Boscombe
13, Chris Wakefield
14,Jane Kelly.
15, Healthy Living Board
16,Bore on the shore (The Firework Fiasco)
17,Thinking ASR was going to return to repair the Surf Reef.
18,Imax
19,Lawrence Williams
20,Boscombe Tardis
21,Allowing Dave Wells to be the main housing provider in Bournemouth
22,Basically anything related to Bournemouth council..

No wonder we are called ‘Clowntown.’

Whoa Lovely.Here we go then.

1, John Beesley.
2, Stephen Macloughlin and his images…He seeking re-election.
3,Boscombe Regeneration
4,Neighbourhood Management
5,Single Regeneration Budget.
6,BCCA
7,Surf Reef
8,Bournemouth Welcome Sign
9, Tony Williams
10, Tony Ramsden
11,DPPO (When we have no police ! )
12, Town Centre Managers that includes you, Busybody of Boscombe
13, Chris Wakefield
14,Jane Kelly.
15, Healthy Living Board
16,Bore on the shore (The Firework Fiasco)
17,Thinking ASR was going to return to repair the Surf Reef.
18,Imax
19,Lawrence Williams
20,Boscombe Tardis
21,Allowing Dave Wells to be the main housing provider in Bournemouth
22,Basically anything related to Bournemouth council..

No wonder we are called ‘Clowntown.’
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3:49pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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TheDistrict wrote:

hrryseccombe wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.

Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.

Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.

Could not agree more about voting, if the majority of the public do not vote then they are indeed far more responsible for the current mess than those who do bother to participate, Mainly because on local polling day we all effectively become honorary Councillors – and all we are expected to do is turn up and tick a ballot paper.

The old non-voter’s excuses that they don’t like any of the candidates or the Parties represented, or ‘it won’t make any difference’ are all as lame as they come because if any of these are true surely it is their public duty to stand for election in their own right. The people in authority behind all of these Council fiascos are only where they are because of those who don’t vote (or stand for election), and many of these well known and dodgy incompetents are absolutely counting upon it staying that way.

[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]hrryseccombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.[/p][/quote]Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more about voting, if the majority of the public do not vote then they are indeed far more responsible for the current mess than those who do bother to participate, Mainly because on local polling day we all effectively become honorary Councillors – and all we are expected to do is turn up and tick a ballot paper.

The old non-voter’s excuses that they don’t like any of the candidates or the Parties represented, or ‘it won’t make any difference’ are all as lame as they come because if any of these are true surely it is their public duty to stand for election in their own right. The people in authority behind all of these Council fiascos are only where they are because of those who don’t vote (or stand for election), and many of these well known and dodgy incompetents are absolutely counting upon it staying that way.
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muscliffman wrote:

TheDistrict wrote:
hrryseccombe wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.

Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.

Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.

Could not agree more about voting, if the majority of the public do not vote then they are indeed far more responsible for the current mess than those who do bother to participate, Mainly because on local polling day we all effectively become honorary Councillors – and all we are expected to do is turn up and tick a ballot paper.

The old non-voter’s excuses that they don’t like any of the candidates or the Parties represented, or ‘it won’t make any difference’ are all as lame as they come because if any of these are true surely it is their public duty to stand for election in their own right. The people in authority behind all of these Council fiascos are only where they are because of those who don’t vote (or stand for election), and many of these well known and dodgy incompetents are absolutely counting upon it staying that way.

You really couldn’t make some of this stuff up could you.

[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]hrryseccombe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps the biggest Council related mistake has been made by us, the public.

Because we have silently sat back and watched all these fiascos (and a lot more) unfold at our expense and yet never witnessed any local Authority employee or Councillor properly called to account, disciplined, asked to resign or simply sacked over any of them. In particular every incompetent senior Council Officer responsible for these scandals has apparently remained in post, been promoted or suddenly retired early (in dubious circumstances) with a huge pay off.

So don’t blame the Council’s, blame ourselves. Because if we bothered to hold these Councillors and executive public employees to account, just as shareholders would require of their Directors and executive management in the private sector, we would surely see a vast improvement in the quality and competence inside our Town Halls.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. There is no accountability anymore.[/p][/quote]Would we. I have compained how councillors act within their wards, and the lack of support and help they give to the electorate, unless it befits their own ideas or requirements. I have been asked to remove comments from this forum and others. An issue a few years ago, I brought it to the attention of certain ward councillors, and was basically called a liar, and that my information was false. I even had a letter from the then leader of the council telling me shut up, and to apologise. Of course I did not. This is why we need the electorate to get out there, all of them and put their votes in. Its not the fault of those who do vote, its the fault of those who do not.[/p][/quote]Could not agree more about voting, if the majority of the public do not vote then they are indeed far more responsible for the current mess than those who do bother to participate, Mainly because on local polling day we all effectively become honorary Councillors – and all we are expected to do is turn up and tick a ballot paper.

The old non-voter’s excuses that they don’t like any of the candidates or the Parties represented, or ‘it won’t make any difference’ are all as lame as they come because if any of these are true surely it is their public duty to stand for election in their own right. The people in authority behind all of these Council fiascos are only where they are because of those who don’t vote (or stand for election), and many of these well known and dodgy incompetents are absolutely counting upon it staying that way.[/p][/quote]You really couldn’t make some of this stuff up could you.
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6:37pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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Do I detrect a cynical ‘switch of sides’ by the Echo – a paper that has been all too eager to trumpet the council’s idiotic press releases….. Boscombe the new Sandbanks.

Yes, it would help if morre folk voted in local elections – but to what purpose if they are to be as easily as duped as before.

Mention the Kings Park supposed Ice Rink and far from provoking protest we get witless drivel about it’s merits …. as if there were ANY suggestion that it was to be built. A cursory glance at the ‘plans’ would have shown that it was nothing more than a means to get a change of use for open park land. Much as Boscombe seafront was ripe for exclusive and expensive residential development …. just needed another distraction, and boy did they come up with a corker, if only in the millions it has lost. Remember the lights on the pier that the council had to pay to be repaired, because sea water had got into them !

Then the Imax. Not a peep about the later revealed ‘comprehensive redevelopment’ just simple minded guff about views and performance space. Much as claiming that the blitz was a good idea because it gave kids bomb sites to play on.

The only real mistake Bournemouth council have made is in not being more greedy, as there is as much chance of the folk of Bournemouth doing anything as there is of Eric Pickles going on a diet.

Millions upon millions rotting on the seabed, millions lost on empty surf pods, million spent on smashing down the Imax and load alone knows how much has been made handing over car parks to developers ,,, and yet not a murmur.

Stop a novelty train and all hell breaks lose. Any wonder the council does as it please and is methodically stripping the town bit by bit.

Do I detrect a cynical ‘switch of sides’ by the Echo – a paper that has been all too eager to trumpet the council’s idiotic press releases….. Boscombe the new Sandbanks.

Yes, it would help if morre folk voted in local elections – but to what purpose if they are to be as easily as duped as before.

Mention the Kings Park supposed Ice Rink and far from provoking protest we get witless drivel about it’s merits …. as if there were ANY suggestion that it was to be built. A cursory glance at the ‘plans’ would have shown that it was nothing more than a means to get a change of use for open park land. Much as Boscombe seafront was ripe for exclusive and expensive residential development …. just needed another distraction, and boy did they come up with a corker, if only in the millions it has lost. Remember the lights on the pier that the council had to pay to be repaired, because sea water had got into them !

Then the Imax. Not a peep about the later revealed ‘comprehensive redevelopment’ just simple minded guff about views and performance space. Much as claiming that the blitz was a good idea because it gave kids bomb sites to play on.

The only real mistake Bournemouth council have made is in not being more greedy, as there is as much chance of the folk of Bournemouth doing anything as there is of Eric Pickles going on a diet.

Millions upon millions rotting on the seabed, millions lost on empty surf pods, million spent on smashing down the Imax and load alone knows how much has been made handing over car parks to developers ,,, and yet not a murmur.

Stop a novelty train and all hell breaks lose. Any wonder the council does as it please and is methodically stripping the town bit by bit.
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7:00pm Fri 21 Mar 14

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Bob49 wrote:
Do I detrect a cynical ‘switch of sides’ by the Echo – a paper that has been all too eager to trumpet the council’s idiotic press releases….. Boscombe the new Sandbanks.

Yes, it would help if morre folk voted in local elections – but to what purpose if they are to be as easily as duped as before.

Mention the Kings Park supposed Ice Rink and far from provoking protest we get witless drivel about it’s merits …. as if there were ANY suggestion that it was to be built. A cursory glance at the ‘plans’ would have shown that it was nothing more than a means to get a change of use for open park land. Much as Boscombe seafront was ripe for exclusive and expensive residential development …. just needed another distraction, and boy did they come up with a corker, if only in the millions it has lost. Remember the lights on the pier that the council had to pay to be repaired, because sea water had got into them !

Then the Imax. Not a peep about the later revealed ‘comprehensive redevelopment’ just simple minded guff about views and performance space. Much as claiming that the blitz was a good idea because it gave kids bomb sites to play on.

The only real mistake Bournemouth council have made is in not being more greedy, as there is as much chance of the folk of Bournemouth doing anything as there is of Eric Pickles going on a diet.

Millions upon millions rotting on the seabed, millions lost on empty surf pods, million spent on smashing down the Imax and load alone knows how much has been made handing over car parks to developers ,,, and yet not a murmur.

Stop a novelty train and all hell breaks lose. Any wonder the council does as it please and is methodically stripping the town bit by bit.

Ever tried to get a Councillor to do something. Judging by the responses I have got from the MP they don’t care what the voter thinks and the Council just don’t bother to respond.

[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote:
Do I detrect a cynical ‘switch of sides’ by the Echo – a paper that has been all too eager to trumpet the council’s idiotic press releases….. Boscombe the new Sandbanks.

Yes, it would help if morre folk voted in local elections – but to what purpose if they are to be as easily as duped as before.

Mention the Kings Park supposed Ice Rink and far from provoking protest we get witless drivel about it’s merits …. as if there were ANY suggestion that it was to be built. A cursory glance at the ‘plans’ would have shown that it was nothing more than a means to get a change of use for open park land. Much as Boscombe seafront was ripe for exclusive and expensive residential development …. just needed another distraction, and boy did they come up with a corker, if only in the millions it has lost. Remember the lights on the pier that the council had to pay to be repaired, because sea water had got into them !

Then the Imax. Not a peep about the later revealed ‘comprehensive redevelopment’ just simple minded guff about views and performance space. Much as claiming that the blitz was a good idea because it gave kids bomb sites to play on.

The only real mistake Bournemouth council have made is in not being more greedy, as there is as much chance of the folk of Bournemouth doing anything as there is of Eric Pickles going on a diet.

Millions upon millions rotting on the seabed, millions lost on empty surf pods, million spent on smashing down the Imax and load alone knows how much has been made handing over car parks to developers ,,, and yet not a murmur.

Stop a novelty train and all hell breaks lose. Any wonder the council does as it please and is methodically stripping the town bit by bit.[/p][/quote]Ever tried to get a Councillor to do something. Judging by the responses I have got from the MP they don’t care what the voter thinks and the Council just don’t bother to respond.
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The parents of a maths teacher who died in a sea cave while coasteering have questioned if rescuers could have done more, to save her after an inquest concluded she died as a result of misadventure.

Charlotte Furness-Smith, 30, was left trapped alone after her brother, Alex, 31, swam out of the cave underwater to try to find help. He was plucked from the sea by helicopter but rescuers could not reach his sister in atrocious weather conditions and her body has never been recovered.

Sheriff Payne, the Dorset coroner, praised rescuers and said he would recommend one coastguard officer who was lowered on a rope through a blowhole on the clifftop, near Swanage, for a bravery award. Payne said: “What I can’t ignore is that Charlotte and Alex put themselves in a risky situation in poor weather. Alex confirmed they had not checked tides or anything like that. It was predictable that the weather was going to worsen. The information was available.


Floral tributes at Tilly Whim Caves
Floral tributes at Tilly Whim Caves. Photograph: Geoffrey Swaine/REX

“They were strong swimmers but were rapidly overcome. They were swept into the cave. If Alex had not been able to escape, no one would have known they were there. They may have both perished.”

But speaking after the inquest, relatives suggested there was a lack of leadership among the rescuers and claimed there was an unexplained delay before a rescue was attempted. The pair’s mother, Patricia Furness-Smith, said the family were considering pursuing a second inquest for her daughter, who was known by her nickname “Buffy”.

Mrs Furness-Smith, an author, psychologist and magistrate, said: “The family has no confidence that this inquest properly examined the circumstances of Buffy’s death and the rescue operation that took place. We feel this has been a total sham. We have lost our wonderful daughter and we would like to have some peace and quiet to actually grieve for her. But equally we owe it to her to actually get to the truth of how her last hours panned out. It is imperative that no other family ever suffers what we have gone through. If it takes a fight in order to make sure people do learn lessons then we must follow that through.”

Mrs Furness-Smith, said there had been no proper investigation into why the rescuers had not lowered a rope through the blowhole to allow the trapped woman to haul herself out. She said: “It was perfectly feasible, perfectly possible and the obvious thing to do putting no one at risk apart from the casualty, whose death was a certainty if nothing was done.”

Bournemouth coroner’s court was told the tragedy happened at the Tilly Whim caves when ferocious waves suddenly forced brother and sister into one of the small rocky holes. The pair had intended to go kite-surfing but it was too windy so they decided to go coasteering, which involves swimming, climbing and jumping.

They put on wetsuits, buoyancy aids and helmets before clambering down the cliff on to a ledge and jumped in to the water at 1.30pm. As they swam past the cave entrance they were hit by a heavy sea swell whipped up by strong winds and swept into it.

Alex Furness-Smith told the inquest: “Buffy was a bit scared but we talked and she calmed down. I told her it would be OK. After a while it became apparent we could not keep being battered by the waves. We had a mobile phone with us in a waterproof bag so we tried to dial 999 but there was no reception. We looked to swim out of the cave but every time we saw an opportunity another big wave came crashing in. It appeared the only option was for one of us to swim outside to get help.

“I decided to swim out of the cave. Buffy wanted to go with me. She said she could not bear not knowing if something had happened to me. I said that she should be able to see me going out and if I did get into danger she would have a second chance of getting out. I asked her to stay put. I thought that was the safest thing to do.”

Mr Furness-Smith was plucked out of the sea by a coastguard helicopter at about 3pm on 2 November last year. A lifeboat crew tried to reach the 5ft square entrance of the cave but was beaten back by the waves.

On the cliff above the cave, rescuers could hear Ms Furness-Smith, a former Royal Navy reservist from Bristol, screaming for help. Andrew Bugler, a coastguard station officer, said: “I could hear her screaming: ‘Get me out of here.’ She sounded terrified.” His son, Ian Bugler, was lowered through the narrow blowhole.

Ian Bugler said: “I saw to my left a black mass. I could just about make out it was a person. She was being thrown about in the water and was face down. I remained in the cave for approximately five minutes and was bashed about by the waves. I could see the body was stuck at the back of the cave.”


Storms, Swanage, Dorset, Britain - 09 Feb 2014
High tides cause giant waves to crash into the Tilly Whim Caves in Swanage, Dorset, where Furness-Smith died. Photograph: Geoffrey Swaine/REX

The coastguard cliff rescue team was called at 3.03pm and arrived on scene at 3.32pm, spending 20 minutes setting up a special winch system. At 4.42pm Ian Bugler was lowered into the blowhole and he was pulled back up at 4.55pm after spotting Furness-Smith’s body The rescue attempt was called off at about 5pm.

Furness-Smith’s body has never been recovered.

In a statement submitted to the inquest, Scott Titt, president of the British Mountaineering Council, who was at the cliffs on the day, raised concerns about the apparent lack of urgency of the rescue.

But Mark Rodaway, manager of Portland coastguard, said his team did all it could. He said: “This was a complex rescue with winds gusting up to 60mph, horrendous sea conditions combined with high tide and limited access to the cave. One of our coastguard rescue officers risked his own life when attempting to abseil down a narrow blowhole.

“I am confident the coastguard helicopter crew, rescue teams and the RNLI lifeboat crews on scene that day made every effort while there was still a chance of a successful rescue outcome.”

UPDATE: ‘Get me out of here’ – desperate plea of tragic teacher Charlotte who died in sea cave

TRAGIC: Charlotte Furness-Smith

AN INQUEST heard of the daring attempts to rescue a tragic teacher who became trapped in a sea cave.

Harrowing accounts of rescuers were given at an inquest into the death of Charlotte ‘Buffy’ Furness-Smith, who was heard to scream ‘Get me out of here’ before she died.

Coastguards faced a race against time in ‘atrocious’ conditions’ to save the life of the 30-year-old teacher and former Royal Navy reservist who had been washed into a cave on the Jurassic Coast during a coasteering adventure.

Portland Coastguard helicopter winchman paramedic Adrian Rogers said he was lowered down to the cave and managed to speak to Charlotte through a blowhole.

He said she sounded “distressed and scared” but he was unable to rescue her on his own.

A volunteer coastguard team then attempted a rope-assisted rescue through a blowhole as they said it was impossible to enter via the cave mouth. The team said they worked ‘at the edge of what was safe’ but believed there was a chance they could save her.

Ian Bugler, who volunteered to be lowered down, said: “The cave was very dark and murky.

“She was being thrown around in the water and was face down being thrown against the ledge. At this point I was satisfied that she had died.

“I was bashed about by the waves. I was getting very concerned for my own safety. Eventually I was pulled up.”

His father, Andrew Bugler, also a volunteer coastguard, said: “I could hear her screaming ‘get me out of here’. She was terrified.

“We were all nervous about this rescue as sending someone into a blowhole in these circumstances is not something we have done before.”

Gareth Kitching said: “We decided any attempt at a rescue through the mouth of the cave would be futile. It was incredibly rough and I feared Ian would die in that cave.

“We were playing right at the very edge of what was safe. I can’t tell you how atrocious the conditions were.

“Hindsight is a wonderful thing and given my time again I would not have deployed him into that hole. He is a very brave man.”

Russell Thompson of coasteering company Cumulus Outdoors said: “I would never have thought about getting into the water on that day.”

He added that he and a colleague had been “weather-watching” and said the area might be suitable on “a flat, calm day for someone with coasteering experience”.

Brother’s bid to get help

THE devastated brother of Charlotte Furness-Smith told the inquest of his desperate attempts to get help.

Alex Furness-Smith was washed into the cave near Swanage with his sister in November last year.

He managed to swim to safety and raise the alarm but his sister could not be rescued and died at the scene.

The pair had travelled to Dorset to go kite-surfing but decided to go coasteering instead due to the weather conditions. Coasteering is an adventure activity that involves free climbing up and along a rock face and jumping into the water to swim.

Charlotte, a maths teacher from London, was an engineering graduate and former Royal Navy reservist. She was a strong swimmer.

Charlotte’s body was never recovered but an inquest is underway at Bournemouth after Dorset Coroner Sheriff Payne applied for permission from the Chief Coroner in London to conduct inquiries.

Mr Furness-Smith, 31, from Amersham in Buckinghamshire, said sea conditions rapidly deteriorated after they entered the water near the Tilly Whim caves.

He said: “The swell had become much larger. I was tossed upside down under water and into the cave.

“Buffy was a bit scared at this point – I told her it would be OK.”

He said he seized the opportunity to get out of the cave to raise the alarm, leaving his sister behind.

“The only option was for one of us to try to get out and get help. I decided I would go out and try to get help rather than risk both of us getting smashed against the rocks.”

He managed to attract the attention of people on the clifftop and a rescue operation was mounted.

The inquest continues.

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“We feel this has been a total sham. We need to discuss it with our legal
representatives and make a decision (as to whether to appeal for another
inquest).

“We have lost our wonderful daughter and we would like to have some peace
and quiet to actually grieve for her.

“But equally we owe it to her to actually get to the truth of how her
last hours panned out. It is imperative that no other family ever suffers
what we have gone through.

“If it takes a fight in order to make sure people do learn lessons then
we must follow that through.”

Mrs Furness-Smith, 57, also raised concerns that key witnesses were not called
to give evidence, including one who thought the rescue effort took too long.

But coroner Mr Payne commended the actions of the coastguards and recommended
an officer who risked his life to enter the cave for the Queens Commendation
for Bravery.

Earlier, the inquest heard how Charlotte, a maths teacher, had travelled to
the Dorset coast with her 31-year-old brother to go kite-surfing but,
finding it was too windy, they decided to go coasteering at Tilly Whim Caves
near Swanage.

They put on wetsuits, buoyancy aids and helmets before jumping into the sea at
1.30pm. As they swam by the cave entrance they were hit by a 15ft swell
whipped up by 60mph winds which swept them into it.

Alex left his sister in the cave by diving underwater and swimming out to get
help. Rescuers were unable to reach Miss Furness-Smith whose screams could
be heard through a blowhole in the top of the cave.

Coastguard Ian Bugler finally risked his own life by being lowered down the
narrow hole, but by the time he entered the cave Miss Furness-Smith had
drowned. Her body has never been recovered.

The inquest was told by a coasteering expert that he would never have
considered entering the sea on that day due to the severe weather
conditions.

Recording a verdict of misadventure, Mr Payne said: “What I can’t ignore
is that Charlotte and Alex put themselves in a risky situation in poor
weather that was predicted to worsen.

“Alex confirmed they had not checked tides or anything like that. It was
predictable that the weather was going to worsen.

“The information was available but Alex and Buffy decided to enter the
sea on that November day anyway to do the activity of coasteering.

“They were strong swimmers but they were rapidly overcome. They were
swept into the cave and that is how the whole sad affair started.

“If Alex had not been able to escape, no-one would have known they were
there. They may have both perished.

“This particular misadventure went very sadly, and indeed fatally, wrong.”

Mr Payne praised the coastguard rescue team and said he would be recommending
Ian Bugler for a bravery award.

He added: “He acted with considerable bravery. He was advised he did not
have to go down into the blowhole but the decision was taken that it was the
only option available.”

In a statement Scott Titt, president of the British Mountaineering Council and
who was at the cliffs on the day, raised concerns about the apparent lack of
urgency of the rescue.

But Mark Rodaway, manager of Portland coastguard, said his team did all they
could to reach Charlotte.

He said: “This was a complex rescue with winds gusting up to 60mph,
horrendous sea conditions combined with high tide and limited access to the
cave.

“This was proven when one of our coastguard rescue officers risked his
own life when attempting to abseil down a narrow blowhole.

“I am confident the coastguard helicopter crew, rescue teams and the RNLI
lifeboat crews on scene that day made every effort while there was still a
chance of a successful rescue outcome.”

Charlotte, from Amersham, Bucks, was born in Trinidad and Tobago and her
family returned to the UK when she was eight.

She joined the Royal Navy Reserves at Exeter University and was part of the
Navy’s recruitment team. She graduated in engineering before going on to
qualify as a maths teacher and worked at a school in Bristol.

UPDATE: ‘Get me out of here’ – desperate plea of tragic teacher Charlotte who died in sea cave

TRAGIC: Charlotte Furness-Smith

AN INQUEST heard of the daring attempts to rescue a tragic teacher who became trapped in a sea cave.

Harrowing accounts of rescuers were given at an inquest into the death of Charlotte ‘Buffy’ Furness-Smith, who was heard to scream ‘Get me out of here’ before she died.

Coastguards faced a race against time in ‘atrocious’ conditions’ to save the life of the 30-year-old teacher and former Royal Navy reservist who had been washed into a cave on the Jurassic Coast during a coasteering adventure.

Portland Coastguard helicopter winchman paramedic Adrian Rogers said he was lowered down to the cave and managed to speak to Charlotte through a blowhole.

He said she sounded “distressed and scared” but he was unable to rescue her on his own.

A volunteer coastguard team then attempted a rope-assisted rescue through a blowhole as they said it was impossible to enter via the cave mouth. The team said they worked ‘at the edge of what was safe’ but believed there was a chance they could save her.

Ian Bugler, who volunteered to be lowered down, said: “The cave was very dark and murky.

“She was being thrown around in the water and was face down being thrown against the ledge. At this point I was satisfied that she had died.

“I was bashed about by the waves. I was getting very concerned for my own safety. Eventually I was pulled up.”

His father, Andrew Bugler, also a volunteer coastguard, said: “I could hear her screaming ‘get me out of here’. She was terrified.

“We were all nervous about this rescue as sending someone into a blowhole in these circumstances is not something we have done before.”

Gareth Kitching said: “We decided any attempt at a rescue through the mouth of the cave would be futile. It was incredibly rough and I feared Ian would die in that cave.

“We were playing right at the very edge of what was safe. I can’t tell you how atrocious the conditions were.

“Hindsight is a wonderful thing and given my time again I would not have deployed him into that hole. He is a very brave man.”

Russell Thompson of coasteering company Cumulus Outdoors said: “I would never have thought about getting into the water on that day.”

He added that he and a colleague had been “weather-watching” and said the area might be suitable on “a flat, calm day for someone with coasteering experience”.

Brother’s bid to get help

THE devastated brother of Charlotte Furness-Smith told the inquest of his desperate attempts to get help.

Alex Furness-Smith was washed into the cave near Swanage with his sister in November last year.

He managed to swim to safety and raise the alarm but his sister could not be rescued and died at the scene.

The pair had travelled to Dorset to go kite-surfing but decided to go coasteering instead due to the weather conditions. Coasteering is an adventure activity that involves free climbing up and along a rock face and jumping into the water to swim.

Charlotte, a maths teacher from London, was an engineering graduate and former Royal Navy reservist. She was a strong swimmer.

Charlotte’s body was never recovered but an inquest is underway at Bournemouth after Dorset Coroner Sheriff Payne applied for permission from the Chief Coroner in London to conduct inquiries.

Mr Furness-Smith, 31, from Amersham in Buckinghamshire, said sea conditions rapidly deteriorated after they entered the water near the Tilly Whim caves.

He said: “The swell had become much larger. I was tossed upside down under water and into the cave.

“Buffy was a bit scared at this point – I told her it would be OK.”

He said he seized the opportunity to get out of the cave to raise the alarm, leaving his sister behind.

“The only option was for one of us to try to get out and get help. I decided I would go out and try to get help rather than risk both of us getting smashed against the rocks.”

He managed to attract the attention of people on the clifftop and a rescue operation was mounted.

The inquest continues.

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